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		<title>Comment on The Q-Horn: An Aid To Speaking Passionately Without Frightening One Another Too Much? by Richard Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, its use did not continue. It was not actively rejected. Just not used. It was used a couple of times at that first meeting when I introduced it, after which I wrote this post, and perhaps once at the next meeting. I brought it (both horns) to meetings for months afterward and no one took them up. I believe that Friends knew that, if they had started getting self-righteous (in my opinion) I would have urged the horn upon them, and they stayed away from that tone. So the horns were a great success, in my humble opinion. (Honk honk.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, its use did not continue. It was not actively rejected. Just not used. It was used a couple of times at that first meeting when I introduced it, after which I wrote this post, and perhaps once at the next meeting. I brought it (both horns) to meetings for months afterward and no one took them up. I believe that Friends knew that, if they had started getting self-righteous (in my opinion) I would have urged the horn upon them, and they stayed away from that tone. So the horns were a great success, in my humble opinion. (Honk honk.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on WT-4: Preparations for &#8220;Worshiping Together&#8221; by A M&#38;C member</title>
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		<dc:creator>A M&#38;C member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...[M&amp;C has] been working on the assumption that all the kids will be entering at 11:45. It&#039;s actually not ideal to have different classes entering at different times; we believe the meeting can absorb the influx and return to its worshipping state but when it&#039;s one class, then another, then another, attention turns to entries rather than worship. It&#039;s like being woken up once and being able to go back to sleep, but when you&#039;re woken up three times in ten minutes, you tend to be done with sleep. That said, of course teachers have discretion. We just ask that it be noted that M&amp;C prefers classes be ready to enter at 11:45. This is something we&#039;ll want to revisit, and if there are problems, maybe we&#039;ll need to work with on a case-by-case basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;[M&amp;C has] been working on the assumption that all the kids will be entering at 11:45. It&#8217;s actually not ideal to have different classes entering at different times; we believe the meeting can absorb the influx and return to its worshipping state but when it&#8217;s one class, then another, then another, attention turns to entries rather than worship. It&#8217;s like being woken up once and being able to go back to sleep, but when you&#8217;re woken up three times in ten minutes, you tend to be done with sleep. That said, of course teachers have discretion. We just ask that it be noted that M&amp;C prefers classes be ready to enter at 11:45. This is something we&#8217;ll want to revisit, and if there are problems, maybe we&#8217;ll need to work with on a case-by-case basis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WT-3: We imagine the flow of children and worship on the next few Sundays by A Parent</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/wt-3-current/comment-page-1#comment-26958</link>
		<dc:creator>A Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually remember appreciating connecting with my son&#039;s teachers when he was in first day school.  That won&#039;t be possible at the end of first day school...so perhaps it could be important for that to happen at the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually remember appreciating connecting with my son&#8217;s teachers when he was in first day school.  That won&#8217;t be possible at the end of first day school&#8230;so perhaps it could be important for that to happen at the beginning.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WT-3: We imagine the flow of children and worship on the next few Sundays by Carolyn Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/wt-3-current/comment-page-1#comment-26662</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all the folks who have been thinking through the various ideas here. 

I really like the idea of adding regular singing at 10:45 - 11:00 AM.  Singing was one of the favorite parts of my Methodist/Lutheran church-going early years and it&#039;s been something I really miss while attending TCFM.  So, I look forward to this piece of the new Worshipping Together plan.... I think Sylvia will too.    I could even imagine accompanying a couple of the hymnal&#039;s songs on the piano sometime.  There are lots of musical folks in Mtg -- this will be a nice addition, I bet.  

I see the current plan is for children to join their families at &quot;Family&quot; seats if they choose -- I think this makes very good sense.  Children interested to sit separately (as individuals or as a class) will certainly be able to.   And those who aren&#039;t ready for that on any given day - will still have spots available near the grownups they know best....  

This whole issue of seating could even be something teachers choose to explore with students (I&#039;m thinking of younger students especially) let the students spend a little time in class deciding their plans of where to sit... perhaps we&#039;ll see younger students develop this particular form of independence over the FDS year and want to sit together as buddies? or as a whole class?  Who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all the folks who have been thinking through the various ideas here. </p>
<p>I really like the idea of adding regular singing at 10:45 &#8211; 11:00 AM.  Singing was one of the favorite parts of my Methodist/Lutheran church-going early years and it&#8217;s been something I really miss while attending TCFM.  So, I look forward to this piece of the new Worshipping Together plan&#8230;. I think Sylvia will too.    I could even imagine accompanying a couple of the hymnal&#8217;s songs on the piano sometime.  There are lots of musical folks in Mtg &#8212; this will be a nice addition, I bet.  </p>
<p>I see the current plan is for children to join their families at &#8220;Family&#8221; seats if they choose &#8212; I think this makes very good sense.  Children interested to sit separately (as individuals or as a class) will certainly be able to.   And those who aren&#8217;t ready for that on any given day &#8211; will still have spots available near the grownups they know best&#8230;.  </p>
<p>This whole issue of seating could even be something teachers choose to explore with students (I&#8217;m thinking of younger students especially) let the students spend a little time in class deciding their plans of where to sit&#8230; perhaps we&#8217;ll see younger students develop this particular form of independence over the FDS year and want to sit together as buddies? or as a whole class?  Who knows?</p>
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		<title>Comment on WT-3: We imagine the flow of children and worship on the next few Sundays by Marybeth Neal</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/wt-3-current/comment-page-1#comment-26660</link>
		<dc:creator>Marybeth Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how I found myself explaining the proposed change of time for the young people to participate in Meeting for Worship to a parent who is a relatively new member of TCFM.

1. Many families find that they are not able to come to Meeting for Worship spiritually prepared because it is such a struggle to get everyone in the family ready and out the door. And then to enter into worship with grumpy kids after this struggle is not conducive to good worship.  It would be better to have the kids start off their day at the meeting house somewhere besides adult worship.

2. Having the kids come into meeting at the end of the FDS time allows the adult worship experience to be more integrated into their FDS experience. It becomes a part of every FDS classes&#039;  &quot;curriculum&quot;  for the teacher to take some time to prepare the kids for entering worship.

3.  It is probably quite important for the kids to enter the meeting and to sit with their classmates, instead of going over to their parents.  This is less disruptive.  But more importantly, it communicates to the children they they are unique, valued individuals with identities of their own (and not just as appendages of their parents).  Hopefully the seating arrangement can communicate to kids that they, not just their parents, have a place in the meeting community.  This could communicate to them a kind of respect that the larger meeting has for them, which could feel empowering and encouraging of their developing spirituality.

4.  This does mean that all FDS teachers are now, in a way, required to weave preparation for worship into their lesson plans each Sunday.  Teachers may be concerned that this limits the amount of time they have to do anything ELSE meaningful during their class time -- especially since there will be stragglers coming in at 11.  Unless we start FDS at 10:45?  Which might actually be a good idea...

And of course, Quakers don&#039;t like much structure!  But this kind of structure I am hoping is not constraining but rather enabling of what we hope for our children... We will see how this plays out.

The parent with who I spoke was interested and very receptive in particular to the idea that kids would sit with their class instead of going to be with their parents, because it might give the kids the empowering sense of having their OWN place at meeting, and not just being at meeting because their parents were there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how I found myself explaining the proposed change of time for the young people to participate in Meeting for Worship to a parent who is a relatively new member of TCFM.</p>
<p>1. Many families find that they are not able to come to Meeting for Worship spiritually prepared because it is such a struggle to get everyone in the family ready and out the door. And then to enter into worship with grumpy kids after this struggle is not conducive to good worship.  It would be better to have the kids start off their day at the meeting house somewhere besides adult worship.</p>
<p>2. Having the kids come into meeting at the end of the FDS time allows the adult worship experience to be more integrated into their FDS experience. It becomes a part of every FDS classes&#8217;  &#8220;curriculum&#8221;  for the teacher to take some time to prepare the kids for entering worship.</p>
<p>3.  It is probably quite important for the kids to enter the meeting and to sit with their classmates, instead of going over to their parents.  This is less disruptive.  But more importantly, it communicates to the children they they are unique, valued individuals with identities of their own (and not just as appendages of their parents).  Hopefully the seating arrangement can communicate to kids that they, not just their parents, have a place in the meeting community.  This could communicate to them a kind of respect that the larger meeting has for them, which could feel empowering and encouraging of their developing spirituality.</p>
<p>4.  This does mean that all FDS teachers are now, in a way, required to weave preparation for worship into their lesson plans each Sunday.  Teachers may be concerned that this limits the amount of time they have to do anything ELSE meaningful during their class time &#8212; especially since there will be stragglers coming in at 11.  Unless we start FDS at 10:45?  Which might actually be a good idea&#8230;</p>
<p>And of course, Quakers don&#8217;t like much structure!  But this kind of structure I am hoping is not constraining but rather enabling of what we hope for our children&#8230; We will see how this plays out.</p>
<p>The parent with who I spoke was interested and very receptive in particular to the idea that kids would sit with their class instead of going to be with their parents, because it might give the kids the empowering sense of having their OWN place at meeting, and not just being at meeting because their parents were there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WT-2: Worshiping Together, Youth &amp; Adults: Intro &amp; Request for Questions &amp; Issues by Heather Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/wt-2-worshiping-together-youth-adults-intro-request-for-questions-issues/comment-page-1#comment-26647</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Richard. 

I feel rather awestruck by the breadth and depth of consideration regarding Worshiping Together. The WT-1,2,3... writings cause me to reflect on the ways a community comes to know itself over time and in relationship: its evolving, diverse, loving self. 

In the face of such effort, my mind wanders to the question, &quot;what wasn&#039;t working with children participating from 11 to 11:15 am?&quot; but I don&#039;t stay there long, because I am intrigued by what it may mean for Meeting children to participate in what I generally experience to be the deepest part of worship. 

The process of this journey intrigues me, and I am grateful for your serving as shepherd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Richard. </p>
<p>I feel rather awestruck by the breadth and depth of consideration regarding Worshiping Together. The WT-1,2,3&#8230; writings cause me to reflect on the ways a community comes to know itself over time and in relationship: its evolving, diverse, loving self. </p>
<p>In the face of such effort, my mind wanders to the question, &#8220;what wasn&#8217;t working with children participating from 11 to 11:15 am?&#8221; but I don&#8217;t stay there long, because I am intrigued by what it may mean for Meeting children to participate in what I generally experience to be the deepest part of worship. </p>
<p>The process of this journey intrigues me, and I am grateful for your serving as shepherd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Conversation Regarding Two Dormant Committees: Peace and Social Action, and Community Service by Mark Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/a-conversation-regarding-dormant-committees/comment-page-1#comment-26191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern is that Peace and Social Concerns committees take on a challenge too broad, and difficult to make much progress.  Quakers lobbied furiously against the Iraq war, and War Is Not the Answer materials are still all over the place, but the effort was largely a failure.  If TCFM Quakers want to address peace and social concerns within the Twin Cities, restricting activities to supporting and aiding some of the already existing efforts for peace and justice in the Cities, that would be a much more workable effort and would provide the personal connections people seek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is that Peace and Social Concerns committees take on a challenge too broad, and difficult to make much progress.  Quakers lobbied furiously against the Iraq war, and War Is Not the Answer materials are still all over the place, but the effort was largely a failure.  If TCFM Quakers want to address peace and social concerns within the Twin Cities, restricting activities to supporting and aiding some of the already existing efforts for peace and justice in the Cities, that would be a much more workable effort and would provide the personal connections people seek.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Conversation Regarding Two Dormant Committees: Peace and Social Action, and Community Service by phill lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>phill lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m encouraged by the impulse to reform these committees.  one of the most important actions we can take is to &#039;let each other know we&#039;re here.&#039;  

that commitment is helpful - sometimes a life-line in a time of despair - not only to those in our area and throughout the world suffering through natural and social calamities but also to those of us within our tcfm community.

peace, homelessness, poverty, health care, &#039;sustainability&#039; - these and some other, perhaps more abstract causes, are among the urgent issues i would like to take up with like-minded friends.  

i&#039;ll join a &#039;peace and service visioning group.&#039;

phill lindsay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m encouraged by the impulse to reform these committees.  one of the most important actions we can take is to &#8216;let each other know we&#8217;re here.&#8217;  </p>
<p>that commitment is helpful &#8211; sometimes a life-line in a time of despair &#8211; not only to those in our area and throughout the world suffering through natural and social calamities but also to those of us within our tcfm community.</p>
<p>peace, homelessness, poverty, health care, &#8216;sustainability&#8217; &#8211; these and some other, perhaps more abstract causes, are among the urgent issues i would like to take up with like-minded friends.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;ll join a &#8216;peace and service visioning group.&#8217;</p>
<p>phill lindsay</p>
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		<title>Comment on EWL-3 Getting your group functioning smoothly by lois Kreider</title>
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		<dc:creator>lois Kreider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on vacation at the present time and hope to be back for the July 18 meeting but may not.  Still interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on vacation at the present time and hope to be back for the July 18 meeting but may not.  Still interested.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Conversation Regarding Two Dormant Committees: Peace and Social Action, and Community Service by Mark Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/a-conversation-regarding-dormant-committees/comment-page-1#comment-26113</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to &quot;inconvenience ourselves for the sake of Spirit-led witness&quot; we need to act as a whole.

My thought is that we all get arrested - as a group - protesting US military, global interventionism in general and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

This action will get into the papers and let people know that Quakers are against all wars.  The billions of dollars being used for the military could solve most of our other national problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to &#8220;inconvenience ourselves for the sake of Spirit-led witness&#8221; we need to act as a whole.</p>
<p>My thought is that we all get arrested &#8211; as a group &#8211; protesting US military, global interventionism in general and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. </p>
<p>This action will get into the papers and let people know that Quakers are against all wars.  The billions of dollars being used for the military could solve most of our other national problems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Conversation Regarding Two Dormant Committees: Peace and Social Action, and Community Service by Liz Opp(enheimer)</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/a-conversation-regarding-dormant-committees/comment-page-1#comment-25967</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Opp(enheimer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate these notes, since my schedule has prevented me from attending these sessions.

It seems that one of the elements of Quakerism that TCFM is reaching for is the **corporate sense of leading**--an opportunity for service that calls us together to walk a growing edge, into our measure of Light.  It may be that not all of us can physically participate but it would mean that there&#039;d be a sense of the meeting for us to move forward with some new undertaking.  The marriage equality work is an example of that sort of corporate engagement.

It&#039;s true that any number of us as individuals in the meeting have our own personal favorite service project we hope others will support--but that doesn&#039;t knit us together in the Spirit.  What I have seen as being successful is when we as a faith community hold the question &quot;Where are we called?&quot;; then pay attention to what opportunities come our way, and what actions have been &quot;seeded&quot; that seem to be bearing good fruit?  

We may be called to address a specific concern--housing the homeless; feeding the hungry--or we may be called to explore the *causes* of homelessness, hunger, poverty.  

The last question I have been considering for a number of months now is this:  many of us--but not all--have a certain amount of privilege in our life.  How willing are we to give up certain privileges in order to inconvenience ourselves for the sake of a Spirit-led act of corporate or personal witness?  

I hope we will find the right balance between asking questions and setting into action.  

Blessings,
Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate these notes, since my schedule has prevented me from attending these sessions.</p>
<p>It seems that one of the elements of Quakerism that TCFM is reaching for is the **corporate sense of leading**&#8211;an opportunity for service that calls us together to walk a growing edge, into our measure of Light.  It may be that not all of us can physically participate but it would mean that there&#8217;d be a sense of the meeting for us to move forward with some new undertaking.  The marriage equality work is an example of that sort of corporate engagement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that any number of us as individuals in the meeting have our own personal favorite service project we hope others will support&#8211;but that doesn&#8217;t knit us together in the Spirit.  What I have seen as being successful is when we as a faith community hold the question &#8220;Where are we called?&#8221;; then pay attention to what opportunities come our way, and what actions have been &#8220;seeded&#8221; that seem to be bearing good fruit?  </p>
<p>We may be called to address a specific concern&#8211;housing the homeless; feeding the hungry&#8211;or we may be called to explore the *causes* of homelessness, hunger, poverty.  </p>
<p>The last question I have been considering for a number of months now is this:  many of us&#8211;but not all&#8211;have a certain amount of privilege in our life.  How willing are we to give up certain privileges in order to inconvenience ourselves for the sake of a Spirit-led act of corporate or personal witness?  </p>
<p>I hope we will find the right balance between asking questions and setting into action.  </p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Liz</p>
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		<title>Comment on EWL-4 Another Opportunity To Learn About EXPERIMENT WITH LIGHT by Chris Clauson</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/ewl-4-another-opportunity-to-learn-about-experiment-with-light/comment-page-1#comment-25565</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Clauson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandi &amp; I need to come together. Only I can drive.
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi &amp; I need to come together. Only I can drive.<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on EWL-3 Getting your group functioning smoothly by Richard Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, James, your advice about making &quot;regular&quot; audio CDs was very helpful.
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, James, your advice about making &#8220;regular&#8221; audio CDs was very helpful.<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>Comment on EWL-3 Getting your group functioning smoothly by James Riemermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Riemermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill,

EWL is an acronym Richard is using for Experiments with Light, more detail in the first article in the series &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tcfm.org/article/ewl-1-form-experiment-with-light-groups&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, fyi, with a computer with a CD burner it is not hard to turn MP3 files into a standard audio CD playable on any player. Let me know if you would like to know more about this.

james</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill,</p>
<p>EWL is an acronym Richard is using for Experiments with Light, more detail in the first article in the series <a href="http://www.tcfm.org/article/ewl-1-form-experiment-with-light-groups" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Richard, fyi, with a computer with a CD burner it is not hard to turn MP3 files into a standard audio CD playable on any player. Let me know if you would like to know more about this.</p>
<p>james</p>
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		<title>Comment on EWL-3 Getting your group functioning smoothly by Jill Pennie</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/ewl-3-details-of-forming-groups/comment-page-1#comment-25420</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Pennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is EWL?  Is it a study group, a worship sharing group, book group, or a social group like the circle 8&#039;s were or....?  

Just wondering....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is EWL?  Is it a study group, a worship sharing group, book group, or a social group like the circle 8&#8242;s were or&#8230;.?  </p>
<p>Just wondering&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inclusiveness of Same Gender Couples: Oct. 1986 Minute by mike</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/inclusiveness-of-same-gender-couples-oct-1986-minute/comment-page-1#comment-25056</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to thank the TCFM membership for their support of the LGBT community. 

I appreciate the enormous amount of personal prayer, thought and discussion your members participated in to reach this decision. 

i also appreciate the decision to enter the public spot light and make this endorsement. 

I am encouraged that people of true faith and spiritual belief exist, and that they are willing to take a peaceful but significant stand for the rights of those oppressed by dogmatic and bigoted belief system leaders.

I am encouraging other people I know to come here and thank you personally for your efforts and resolve. 

again my heart felt thanks and utmost respect for each and every member of the TCFM.

Thank You

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank the TCFM membership for their support of the LGBT community. </p>
<p>I appreciate the enormous amount of personal prayer, thought and discussion your members participated in to reach this decision. </p>
<p>i also appreciate the decision to enter the public spot light and make this endorsement. </p>
<p>I am encouraged that people of true faith and spiritual belief exist, and that they are willing to take a peaceful but significant stand for the rights of those oppressed by dogmatic and bigoted belief system leaders.</p>
<p>I am encouraging other people I know to come here and thank you personally for your efforts and resolve. </p>
<p>again my heart felt thanks and utmost respect for each and every member of the TCFM.</p>
<p>Thank You</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parker Palmer on Leadership by Liz Opp(enheimer)</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/parker-palmer-on-leadership/comment-page-1#comment-24973</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Opp(enheimer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that several threads are intertwined here that should be pulled apart to allow us a closer look:

1.  Leadership
2.  Authority
3.  Power-over
4.  Power-with.

Sadly, I have little time right now to think through the distinctions of these related concepts.  But I do wonder if we have a hard time being humble--

What does THAT mean, to be humble or to keep low?  If we cannot do these things, then I worry we will misuse our own sense of power, authority, and leadership.

Sigh.

So much to say.  So little time to write about it...

Blessings,
Liz Opp(enheimer)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that several threads are intertwined here that should be pulled apart to allow us a closer look:</p>
<p>1.  Leadership<br />
2.  Authority<br />
3.  Power-over<br />
4.  Power-with.</p>
<p>Sadly, I have little time right now to think through the distinctions of these related concepts.  But I do wonder if we have a hard time being humble&#8211;</p>
<p>What does THAT mean, to be humble or to keep low?  If we cannot do these things, then I worry we will misuse our own sense of power, authority, and leadership.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>So much to say.  So little time to write about it&#8230;</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Liz Opp(enheimer)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parker Palmer on Leadership by Liz Opp(enheimer)</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/parker-palmer-on-leadership/comment-page-1#comment-24972</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Opp(enheimer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the threads of leadership, authority, power-over, and power-with being blended here.

And I experience differences between God&#039;s leadership (giving us leadings) and the authority of our meetings to make decisions based on corporate discernment and testing of those leadings.

Perhaps at a future date, I will be able to write more about these distinctions...

Blessings,
Liz Opp(enheimer)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the threads of leadership, authority, power-over, and power-with being blended here.</p>
<p>And I experience differences between God&#8217;s leadership (giving us leadings) and the authority of our meetings to make decisions based on corporate discernment and testing of those leadings.</p>
<p>Perhaps at a future date, I will be able to write more about these distinctions&#8230;</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Liz Opp(enheimer)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on my 17-month term as clerk by iljungScott</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/reflections-on-my-17-month-term-as-clerk/comment-page-1#comment-24565</link>
		<dc:creator>iljungScott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your welcome to a new participant in the midst of this transition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your welcome to a new participant in the midst of this transition</p>
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		<title>Comment on Photos from Construction, Gallery 1 by John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://www.tcfm.org/article/photos-from-construction-gallery-1/comment-page-1#comment-24419</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. You done good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. You done good.</p>
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